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Christopher Thong
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 01:00 am: | 
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Dear Rudhy,
Your plant cannot be a Doritis species, the lip doesn't show the same as a Doritis one. Might be a Doritis that have few generation of backcrossing. |
Manfred W. Wolff
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 02:37 am: |
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Dear Rudhy
Your picture shows no variant of Doritis, certainly a hybrid. I am even not sure, if Doritis was a partner. The flower stalk on the picture is a typical Phal. one. In primary hybrids or any short heritage Doritis is very dominating, in higher Dtps.-hybrids the influence of Doritis is less evidently clear, sometimes just only to recognize with the stiffer leaves.
Manfred |
Agus Rudhy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:25 pm: |
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Dear orchid friends,
Could you give me some info about my orchid attached below ?
Is this a hybrid or species of Doritis pulcherimma ?
Thanks for your kindness.
Rudhy
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David Buchanan
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:37 am: |
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I am hoping someone can clear up some confusion I am having at present.
I recently purchased from an orchid nursery a flowering plant labelled Doritis pulcherrima var. aquinii. One picture I saw of var. aquinii had a pink labellum with a deep orange colour on the sides of the labellum. Another picture looked exactly like var. chumpornensis. My plant looks exactly like var. chumpornensis. Are var. aquinii and var. chumpornensis one and the same, or are they two distinct varieties.
Secondly, I attended an orchid show here in Brisbane last weekend and on display were plants labelled var. chumpornensis subvar. alba. Some of these plants appeared to be alba forms, ie. they had white petals & sepals whilst the labellum was the colouration of the straight chumpornensis. The others looked exactly like var. chumpornensis in colouration. Is there a large variation in colour forms of var. chumpornensis.
Sorry for being sooo long-winded. |
Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 09:16 am: |
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Dear Orchidfriends,
today I get the answer from Mr. Tippit
'Dear mr. Gruss,
There is no way that I can say with certainty what the cross is in the
pictures you sent. If I had to, I would propose a primary hybrid of
Dor. pulcherrima var. Buyssoniana x Phal. stuartiana. The spotting on
the interior portions of the lateral sepals certainly suggest Phal.
stuartiana, as do the spotting on the lip. If this is a primary hybrid,
the lateral sepals should still be fused as in Buyssoniana. I can not
tell from the pictures if this is the case or not.'
So I must notice that we must wait perhaps for more informations and perhaps fro the result of the cross of Doritis with Phal. stuartiana.
Best greetimngs
olaf |
Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 09:06 am: |
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Dear Hideka,
many thanks.
But I think I am not a famous botanist, only an amateur who loves the orchids. But let us see for the answer.
Best greetings
olaf |
Hideka Kobayashi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 08:27 am: |
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Olaf,
Here are the URL address to his web page and his snail mail address:
http://www.olympiaorchids.com/
OLYMPIA ORCHIDS
27A Windsong Lane
Friendswood, TX 77546
Since you are a famous botanist, he should feel honored to receive your inquiry.
Hideka |
Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:38 am: |
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Dear Hideka,
I tried to write to Mr. Bartlett, but the mail returned always as failed.
Perhaps he has changed the adress.
Olaf |
Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:29 am: |
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Dear Hideka,
many thanks for the interesting informations. I will write immediately to Mr. Bartlett. Perhaps he has some interesting informations.
Best greetings
Olaf |
Hideka Kobayashi
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Votes: 21 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:17 am: |
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Variations in Phal. Cassandra:
http://www.orchids.com/_img/content/catalogImg/MC578_1.jpg
http://www.bedfordorchids.com/cass.jpg
http://www.windsongorchids.com/images/cassandra.JPG
http://www.merklesorchids.com/1Images/11JPEGS/phal_cassandra_kissme.jpg
Variations in Dtps. Purple Gem:
http://www.orchidwebservices.com/orchid_images_page_1/orchid_image_Dtps_Purple_Gem_in_bud.JPG
http://www.sqr.or.jp/usr/fujiengei/orchid/WL1025.html
http://www.orchids.com/shop/shopCatResult.asp?search=1&itemSearch=purple+gem
http://www.orchidhouse.com/images/phal/333.jpg
http://www.phalaenopsis.net/catalog/n-15.jpg
http://www.midpacificorchids.citymax.com/catalog/item/380313/248908.htm#image_1
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Hideka Kobayashi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 07:56 am: |
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Olaf,
I don't think there was a picture of that particular cross. It was just an example to illustrate how Dtps. Purple Gem can be variable. I would contact Bill Bartlett at: btippit@houston.rr.com
The plant in question may be a primary hybrid, but may be something little more complex.
(Message edited by kobayashi on October 05, 2003) |
Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 10:19 pm: |
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Dear Hideka,
many thanks for your response. Also when I have doubts that the plant is Doritaenopsis Purpkle Gem, do you know in which issue of AOS bulletin the article was published
Best greetings
olaf
Within a picture of one clone of Doritaenopsis Purple Gem. I have many pictures of different clones, especially with the blue and the albine form of Doritis.
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Hideka Kobayashi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 06:57 pm: |
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Olaf,
I agree with most of what you wrote, but not the one below.
"The plant which I have shown here cannot be the cross between Doritis pulcherrima and Phal. equestris. The result of this cross Doritaenopsis Purple Gem is really very different. I show a picture within."
I sorta see Phal. equestris influence, but did not suggest the plant in question is Doritaenopsis Purple Gem. I don't see much of Dor. pulcherrima in the first pic, and it kinda looks like a bad clone of Phal. Cassandra. I don't see much influence of Dor. pulcherrima of the foliage, either. I do see Dor. pulcherrima influence in the second picture, though.
I also do not think you can say that the plant is not Doritaenopsis Purple Gem by showing one picture of the hybrid. Both Phal. equestris and Dor. pulcherrima are quite variable (e.g. Phal. equestris var. rosea, alba, aurea/leucaspis, ilocos, etc.), so if you use different parents, the offsprings would look considerablly different.
There was an article in AOS Bulletin by the guy from Olympia Orchids and he tried to make Dtps. Purple Gem by crossing Dor. pulcherrima var. buyssoniana (4n) and Phal. equestris ('Riverbend' AM/AOS, I think). Those would look quite different from say, Dtps. Purple Gem made by The Orchid Zone.
Hideka
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Olaf Gruss
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:48 am: |
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Dear Hideka,
I agree with you that it is not enough for a final decision if there is a real distint species that in the artficial propagation you cannot find any segregation. But this a good hint for this decision. You need also many informations more.
In the argumentation about Phal. philippinense as a distinct species the artificial propagation gave a good hint for this decision but there were also some other arguments for.
The plant which I have shown here cannot be the cross between Doritis pulcherrima and Phal. equestris. The result of this cross Doritaenopsis Purple Gem is really very different. I show a picture within.
Some pérsons have tried to make a selfing of the plant and some others tried to make crosses but always without success. It would be really interesting to make a genetic analyze of.
best greetings
olaf Gruss |
Hideka Kobayashi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:57 am: |
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"I believe this is more correctly Doritis pulcherrima v. champornensis 'Lakeview Yellow Splash', HCC/AOS."
Stephen, the T-Orchid's page specifically says the one is a cross between Doritis pulcherrima var. buyssoniana and chumpornensis Well, it doesn't say it is that variety, but the one in picture isn't 'Lakeview' if I swallow their words.
"Has anybody tried to produce this plant by seed? I know only plants which are the result of dividing."
Olaf, if I remember correctly, Phal. philippinense was recognized as a species because phenotypic segregation among seedlings was not observed. I am not that sure about this assumption.
For example, I read flowers of selfed seedlings of Paph. Transvaal pretty much looked like its parent. Of course if we see segregation, that indicates a hybrid origin of a plant inquestion, but it is not that deifinitive.
I haven't seen that many Doritis plants other than ones I saw at Klem, but leaves of ones I have seen including my plants tend to be little thicker, whitish and leathery. I kinda see some Phal. equestris influence here, but I could be very wrong.
Hideka |
Neville H. Howcroft
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 09:33 am: |
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Olaf,
Thanks for putting in a photo of the plant of your Doritis. It seems to be a very dark coloured foliage. Maybe the way you grow it?? looks exceptionally healthy. My Doritis leaves are much paler. the only thing in my collection that matches yours in colour is a Doritopsis. That is not meant to suggest that your is.
Nev. Howcroft |
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