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Timothy C. Choltco
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 07:22 pm: | 
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I contacted Eric Christenson regarding this 'species'. Vanda x motesiorum is an unpublished natural hybrid.
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Peter O'Byrne
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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Neither IPNI.org nor the Kew monocots checklist has any record of that name.
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Robin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 07:31 am: |
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Has anyone heard of, or seen a live specimen of Vanda motesiorum Christenson 2000? |
Timothy C. Choltco
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 07:17 pm: |
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Robin,
I've compared your plant with photographs of about 50 Vanda tricolor var. tricolor and believe this is where your species falls.
There are many color forms of V. tricolor including those with white and yellow backgrounds and with spotting that is orange, red-purple, brown, and almost black. Also I believe this species frequently produces natural hybrids with V. insigne and another local Vanda species (perhaps V. lombokensis). Those specimens of V. tricolor with expanded rounded lobes of the midlobe apex are most likely of hybrid origin.
Yours however seems to be a pure V. triclor var. tricolor with a yellow background and dark spots.
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Robin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 05:49 pm: |
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Thanks for helping, Timothy. A bigger picture of the same plant is attached here. I have acquired a keiki of this plant. Although the original owner cannot remember the identity of this old plant, he remembers that this is a wild plant (i.e. a species). The picture was taken on 9 August 2005.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Speciosa/Vanda/VspWL.jpg
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Timothy C. Choltco
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 05:43 pm: |
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Frankie,
Sorry it took so long to respond.
I believe your species is V. lombokensis. Smith mentions 3 keels at the base of the lip, but his drawing lacks these keels.
As for the difference in the color of the base of the tepals... I believe this can easily be accomodated in the species concept.
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Timothy C. Choltco
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 05:32 pm: |
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Robin,
Without a better closeup of the lip, I'd have to guess that your Vanda is either a very well marked Vanda tricolor var. tricolor or a hybrid.
Can you submit a better photograph of the lip? A straight on shot and one in profile.
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Robin
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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Could anyone help me identify this Vanda?
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Peter O'Byrne
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 05:16 pm: |
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frankie,
I can find no record of a Vanda called floresensis ... does Mr Ayub have a reference for this name ?
Although your flower is close to V. tricolor, the lip doesn't have the keels of that species.
I have checked J.J.Smith's description of Vanda lombokensis, and while your plant could be that species it is impossible to be certain. The colours of the Type flower were "blood-red, white-flecked at the heart", which isn't exactly the same as yours. Smith describes a lip with a rather large spur, 3 ribs in the basal half (the outer pair being thickened and keel-like) and a strongly convex, almost hump-backed midlobe. None of these features are shown in your photo.... a side-view of the lip (with a ruler included) would help.
Cheers,
Peter |
Frankie Handoyo
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 01:14 pm: |
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Peter,
I still don't put a tag in this vanda, is it already have a name or variety? Mr. Kolopaking name it as Vanda tricolor and Mr. Ayub called Vanda floresensis/lombokensis. The plant come from Lombok island and Flores. Could help?
Regards,
Frankie
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Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 06:37 am: |
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Hi Peter,
You are welcome. Glad Jenna is happy. |
Peter O'Byrne
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 06:30 am: |
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Joe, thanks for the kind words. Steve, most of the plants were high in the trees, and only some were in flower. I had a close look at 5 inflorescences and saw no significant variation; smallest flower size 48 mm, largest 54 mm, and so on. Flower shape & colour was very consistent ... none of the sort of variation you'd get with a hybrid swarm.
If there are any other Vanda species in the valleys, they weren't in flower & so they didn't register on me. Vandas growing in tree-tops all look pretty similar when viewed from the ground.
Yes, there are loads of other Aeridiinae in the area ... Arachnis celebica, Trichoglottis paniculata, Pomatocalpa koordersii, Ascocentrum aureum, Thrixspermum (at least 4-5 species), Aerides (probably 2 species), Adenoncos (2 species), Malleola, Robiquetia, etc. Nothing that you'd be likely to confuse with a Vanda.
Jenna says she'll be happy with the Bulbo ... it is rather special !
Peter |
Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:54 am: |
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Hi Steve,
Not even that. The extreme right in this country is is against discent. Anyone who dares duisagree with the current pres is attached in the press, on TV, on the radio and now here. |
Stephen Kemp
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:08 am: |
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Hi Joe
I know you realise it is only when you walk into the dangerous territory of politics that you get people disagreeing with you
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Cheers...Steve
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Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 11:20 pm: |
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Hi Steve,
Glad to have someone agree with me for a change.
Joseph Arditti |
Stephen Kemp
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 11:02 pm: |
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Peter
Yes, I agree with Joe: congratulations - you place integrity over glory. I guess you could still honour your daughter with a clonal epithet (if varietal or subspecific status is invalid).
Did you notice much variation among the many V. arcatua growing in that area? What about other Vanda or vandaceous species in the area ie any possibility of natural hybrids?
Cheers...Steve |
Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 07:31 pm: |
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I think that Peter should be congratulated on being so thorough and so honest. A scientist of lesser caliber would have quickly named this Vandaas a new species just to get the "honor" of naming it. Great work, Peter! You get durian and laksa and even fresh air kelapa next time I am in Singapore even if you do not name an orchid for Jonathan. Pick the food court or center. Also better hurry up to take me up on my offer, I am getting old and do not know how many more times I will be able to stand the long flight. On the other hand the new non stop Singapore Airlines flight (18.5 hrs, LAX-SIN) is supposed to have wider seats and more leg space and costs only about US$200 more than the one-stop flights.
Levity aside, with quick naming of "new" species and splitting for the sake of naming "new" species, principled and thorough taxonomic scientists like Peter are rare and we should appreciate and honor them.
All this praise does not mean that I will not jump on Peter next time he attacks the U. S., my country. He can disgaree with it all he wants and still have my respect. And, he is free to say anything he wants about individual politicians even if they are the president. This is the essense of true democracy in my mind. People can agree or disgaree in one area and still appreciate another and remain friends. You have my great respect as an orchid scientist, Peter even if I am not a taxonmist.
Joseph Arditti |
Peter O'Byrne
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 07:03 pm: |
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I've managed to get an identity for the Vanda in these photos. It is, without any doubt, Vanda arcuata J.J.Smith. Smith described V. arcuata in 1907 from a Jellesma collection (from Sulawesi), and it appears to have been "missing" ever since, so I'm delighted to have had a hand in rediscovering it.
The plants I saw vary from the Type description in several minor ways: the flowers are larger, the petals wider and more rounded, the lip narrower, and the colours different (the Type plant had rows of yellow-brown spots on the
lip), but none of these is a reason to doubt that they are the same species.
Like my plants, Smith's Type had a mobile lip (significant because it is such an unusual feature in Vanda), that is hairy at the base, 2 broad fleshy papillose bands on the back-wall of the lip-base, and fragrance.
My daughter will have to be content with having her name attached to a rather nice large-flowered Bulbophyllum that is in the process of being described.
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Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 12:52 am: |
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To Peter Fowler,
The problem is not politics on OD, it is how the discussion goes. If it is civil and polite a political discussion is OK. I think that discussing the attitude toward the environment is very much part of orchids since destruction of the environment will destroy orchids.
As far as I am concefrned the discussion will continue as long as it is civil. Peter O'B and I have diagreed on what the US does. It was always polite and I think of him as a friend. Now we agree about the current president. When the discussion will get nasty dictatorial it must stop.
I am sure Wolfgang will taje care of that.
Joseph Arditti
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Peter Fowler
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 09:51 pm: |
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OK That is the end of politics on this site.
We don't want to end up like the Orchid Digest group.
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Dr. Joseph Arditti
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 04:09 pm: |
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. . . Dr. Arditti mentioned initially (and perhaps seem to forget)
No, I remember.
that "As to politics, you and I probably agree, but this is no place for it."
You are right.
There are a LOT of people
US polls show roughly a 45%-45% split so the number of people on each side is roughly equal. If you figure Nader in more people do not want to consider the current president. No matter, I stuck only to the environment because as orchid growers we should all be concerned with it, politics or not. The same applies to science. The current president is anti environment and not too concerned with science.
Joseph Arditti
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M. Kevin Johnson
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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You may wish to figure as Dr. Arditti mentioned initially (and perhaps seem to forget) that "As to politics, you and I probably agree, but this is no place for it." There are a LOT of people in the US that would not want to consider the other person running for the office of US president.
As far as the Vanda goes, Congrats and hopefully you will have the opportunity to name another species. I know I was very excited when I found out that I had located a new species of orchid in my area. We found it a couple years before Paul Martin Brown was able to verfiy it as new. We did not publish the info on it and thus did not name it but our finding was refered to in the info published.
Kevin |
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